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Date:	Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:17:10 PDT7
From:	"J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@pacbell.net >
Reply-To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: Re: System Commander

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Sandy Shapiro wrote:

> Any System Commander users out there?

Hi Sandy,

I'm a *former* SC user. I believe Ray also used it for some time, but changed
to a competing product whose name eludes me just now.

> I don't mind using Boot Manager, but I prefer System Commander for a
> variety of reasons I won't go in to now.

Yeah, it's a much neater interface, with way more options. I liked it a lot
too.

Before going any further, I should mention the results of some research I did
via Deja News, quite awhile ago. This is just hearsay -- user reports -- but
the consensus suggested that the SC version one needs is SC 2000. (I have
this, and a couple other versions. A waste of money, because I never got
around to testing it. Too many other, more important fish to fry, so I just
took the easy way out by settling for the eCS Boot Mgr., which does get the
job done.) Versions prior to SC 2000: Forget It. Versions after that:
disagreement / problemmatical.

> If I enable System Commander, it then shows Warp 4, eCS and Boot Manager.
> But, and here is the problem, in the Boot Manager listing, eCS is hidden.
> It just disappears from the Boot Manager listing.

I have to keep advising how non-technical I am -- so don't ask me for any
explanations as to the dynamics of this -- but this detail strikes me as
something that should not be, and therefore points toward some issue with BM.
If you set up BM the right way, it should show you whatever you tell it to.
But I think I have seen problems like this before.

> I then boot into Warp 4, call up LVM, exit without changing anything, and
> reboot. SC is now disabled and eCS reappears in the BM menu.
>
> If I reenable SC, then eCS again disappears from the Boot Manager listing.

It sounds like you are having to exert way too much effort, in order to boot
around your OS choices. This is where I would have given up.

> I have been going around with V-Com Tech. Support.

You are lucky. In my experience, they don't even want to hear from OS/2 | eCS
users, and pretty much stonewall us.

> They said I had some
> overlapping partitions on my hard drive. So I redid my partitions and got
> rid of the "overlapping partitions" error message given by their Scout
> utility. But still no change.

That sounds like the objections one regularly got from the (former) PowerQuest
products, Partition Magic or Drive Image, because of their excessively
Windoze-centric orientation. I never really understood those drive geometry
disagreements, the sync variance of CHS to LBA values. Generally, you could
*carefully* reset them to remove that objection, and your installed Warp or
eCS partitions would still work. I think DFSEE added some kind of an option
to reconcile (?) those values, sometime after ver. 6.x, but I haven't had to
use it yet.

This might be the point where Ray comes in with his *separate Drive Trays !*
mantra, and I am slowly coming around to that notion for the tower (unless
SVISTA turns out to be a rip-roaring success), BUT, I must again point out
that on something like a Shuttle XPC, where it is only practical to have *1*
H/D (because of space, cooling, and power supply limitations), this is not
really an option for running multiple OSes.

Jordan

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