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Date:	Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:46:24 PST8
From:	"Steven Levine" <steve53@earthlink.net >
Reply-To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: VMWare

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In <4048C030.366B1C40@pacbell.net>, on 03/05/04
at 10:00 AM, "J. R. Fox" said:

>O.K., I suspected as much. But what do we really need WinXX for anyway ?

Depends on the individual. Peter and I seem to get along well enough
without it. I can't think of too many other SCOUG members that don't have
a WinXX installation that they maintain and use from time to time.

>mostly the few areas where OS/2 has weak, limited, or non-existent app.
>coverage: PhotoShop; multimedia stuff, all the way up to editing sound or
>video. (One needs some web access for streaming video, even if just
>occasionally, but wouldn't the exposure be similar if running RealPlayer
>under Odin ?

No it's much less because Odin does not fully implement the WinXX APIs.
By definition when running under a VM, you are running WinXX with alls its
features and defects.

>At least with the full emulation layer, even though it may
>be set to see the internet, we can control *when* the emulation is loaded
>or not loaded, right ?

This is all true, but most of us are not sufficiently prescient to know to
turn of the machine because someone is just about to unleash a new WinXX
exploit.

>And there are such things as firewalls,
>which one should have with broadband anyway.)

This only gives protection for the attacks you already know about. Same
is true for AV software and Spyware blockers and so on. These are all
useful tools, but I would consider it foolish to assume that just be
running them I am fully protected.

>in the end I had a coaster that said it had 18G worth of files on it (!),
>with some accessible files
>but most of the cd unreadable. Not ready for Prime Time there, wonder
>how it does with DVDs ?

This is all anecdotal. For every app that exists I can find a subset of
users that have problems using it.

>Well, here's another possible strategy: isolation. Have one dedicated
>OS/2 + emulator

That's reasonable as long as you only let the VM see its own virtual
drives.

>partition that can see the internet, part of the time. If something
>sneaks in there, it
>can probably be contained to that area.

Assuming you detect it before it gets out.

>users. Their budgets tend to be somewhat different than institutional
>departments.

You might be surprised. I attempt to not assume that others think the
same way I do. Everyone has different idea of how to spend their money
well. You have decided that SCSI is worth the extra cost. Others would
disagree with you.

Regards,

Steven

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