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Date:	Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:51:11 PDT7
From:	Peter Skye <pskye@peterskye.com >
Reply-To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: Mozilla 1.7 extremely slow

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Steven Levine wrote:
>
> >My home page takes about 25 minutes to load (it
> >takes about 4 minutes with Mozilla 1.0).
>
> How fast is the CPU and how much RAM do you have.

233 MHz Pentium MMX. 256 MB. Memory monitor shows plenty of memory
still available, and the swap file hasn't been touched.

FWIW, Mozilla 1.7.2 is _much_ slower than 1.0, and Mozilla 1.0 is _much_
slower than Netscape 4.61. Back in October 2000 I reported this problem
(I don't know which Mozilla version I was using at that time) and Henry
Sobotka and I exchanged some comments. I wrote an HTML generator
(SobotkaGenerate.cmd) that randomly generated a 845 KB HTML file and it
too had the slowness, at least here. Henry said it ran fine on his
machine. I don't think it's my hard drive since "last access" is 10
minutes before the page finishes rendering and the hard drive light is
mostly off. Apologies, I forgot to monitor the cpu utilization while
the page loads; I should do that.

No I don't have the turbo switch set wrong.

> >I'm using Java 1.1.8 (last update from IBM) if that's the culprit, but
> >it's the same Java that Mozilla 1.0 uses so I doubt that's the cause.
>
> That's not it. Actually you are not using Java 1.1.8.
> Mozilla does not support it.

_*Okay*_. Maybe that's the problem.

[G:\]java -version
JAVA.EXE version "1.1.8"
[G:\]java -fullversion
JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20011106
(JIT enabled: javax V3.5-IBMJDK1.1-20011106)"

The Steve Wendt page says the plug-ins require something newer than
1.1.8 but it doesn't say I can't use 1.1.8 for the main program. I'm
not doubting your words, I'm just making a snide comment about "the
documentation". There's a comment down lower about having the JAVA_HOME
environment variable point to Java 1.3, but it never says you can't use
1.1.8.

Anyway, if Mozilla doesn't like 1.1.8 and I'm using 1.1.8 then I guess I
have a little incompatibility problem here. How come Ray never
mentioned this?

> If you don't have anything secret in the html, send a copy

All my passwords. They're encoded; if you want to try cracking them . .
.

It sounds like I have a Java problem. Yes?

May I be ornery for a moment? Why doesn't the stupid program *check*
which version of Java is running and tell you if it doesn't like what it
finds? Did these programmer guys ever hear of error exits?

- Peter

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