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Date:	Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:01:58 PDT7
From:	"Gary Wong" <gary.wong@sbcglobal.net >
Reply-To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	< "scoug-help@scoug.com" > scoug-help@scoug.com >
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: 40gb IDE drive - fixed!

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Wayne:

I have a few questions:
1) Did you install an XP service pack? I seem to recall that with Win2000 you had to
install at least SP 1 or else it would clobber Boot Manager.
2) Which version of Partition Magic did you use?

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:01:40 PDT7, waynec@linkline.com wrote:

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>I got bootmanager working! Now I can choose to boot Windows XP Pro or Warp.
>Tried a LOT of things before I worked through the problems. It was
>apparently a combination of things.
>
>Hate to say it, but it looks like it was primarily the same issue I had last
>spring: partition type codes. I'm not positive, because I did several
>changes that made it work (and tried many more before that).
>
>First I deleted the boot manager partition from my first scsi drive, then
>physically disconnected the two scsi drives, and then was able to use FDISK
>(from Warp install diskettes, plus a utility diskette) to create a boot
>manager partition on the still-connected ide drive... that's something I
>wasn't able to do with the scsi drives connected (FDISK refused to put a
>boot manager partition on the ide drive, it had that option greyed-out).
>
>So I could then boot WinXP from the bootmanager screen.
>
>But when I reconnected the scsi drives, the Warp partition showed up on the
>bootmanager screen, but I still couldn't boot Warp from the bootmanager
>screen... I kept getting that "OS/2 is not able to operate your hard disk or
>diskette drive" message.
>
>So I took another hard look at the ide drive with the ptedit utility, and
>this time I located a code "F" on one partition, and I changed it to a "5".
>I hadn't seen this code in prior inspections, so I'm not sure if I
>overlooked it or if it wasn't there. "F" is the code later Windows versions
>use for an extended partition, whereas Warp only recognizes a "5" for that
>usage.
>
>That did the trick, now on the bootmanager screen WinXP C: shows up on the
>first (ide) drive, the Warp partition is D: on the second (first scsi)
>drive, and both will boot!
>
>FYI, the WinXP partition is formatted as NTFS, which has the same partition
>code ("7") as HPFS. WinXP sees the HPFS partitions, it just can't access
>them, so when they are cursor-clicked in Explorer, WinXP presents a message
>asking if you want to format the partition. Likewise, Warp can't access the
>NTFS partition.
>
>Wayne
>
>************** copy of my initial post follows ***************************
>
>waynec@linkline.com writes:
>
>> You may recall my travails last June as I tried to install a 40gb IDE
>> drive on a new barebones computer which also has (2) 9gb scsi drives.
>> I am once again having difficulties, and I am hoping someone here can
>> steer me in the right direction.
>>
>> Due to an illness (and subsequent death) in the family, I was away for
>> several months and not using the new system. Before I left I had it
>> working quite well, with a WinXP system on the ide and a Warp system on
>> the scsi, set up for boot manager, and could boot and run either.
>>
>> Very soon after returning home, I caught the "w32.swen" virus on WinXP
>> (see my reply post on the "returned email" thread), and I ended up
>> trashing that partition before it was over.
>>
>> I have rebuilt the WinXP partition, and had to let the install program
>> reformat the partition and remove it from the boot manager, as it will
>> only install WinXP to the first primary partition on the first drive. Now
>> I can't get boot manager working correctly and I can't remember exactly
>> how I had previously set it all up, or how I had the WinXP partition
>> formatted.
>>
>> The ide drive has:
>> - a 4gb primary NTFS partition with WinXP (label "WinXP"),
>> - a freespace of 1 cylinder in case I want a boot manager here
>> - a hidden HPFS logical Warp partition that is not currently in use,
>> - a lot of freespace.
>>
>> The first scsi drive has:
>> - an OS/2 bootmanager partition,
>> - a hidden FAT16 partition ("C_subst") for use as a substitute C:
>> partition in case I need to disconnect the ide drive,
>> - a hidden Warp HPFS logical partition ("Warp1vol") for emergency
>> maintenance use,
>> - a Warp HPFS ("ScsiWarp") logical partition
>> - 3 FAT16 data logical partitions
>> - 3 FAT16 one-cylinder placekeeper logical partitions (simply there to
>> allow drive letters that follow to match another computer)
>> - an HPFS logical data partition
>>
>> The second scsi drive has a single HPFS logical data partition that is
>> currently empty.
>>
>> FDISK, run from updated install diskettes, shows all 3 hard drives, mapped
>> correctly. PQmagic ver5, strangely, sees the ide and the first scsi drive,
>> mapped correctly, but doesn't show the second scsi drive.
>>
>> The Bios is set up to boot from the first scsi drive to bring up OS/2
>> bootmanager. If I put Warp1vol and ScsiWarp (only) in bootmanager, the
>> boot manager screen shows these partitions (with Warp1vol as hidden) as C:
>> drives, which is incorrect, because I need them to be D: drives.
>> Apparently it doesn't recognize the ide drive primary partition.
>>
>> I have tried to put WinXP in the bootmanager, but strangely, the partition
>> that shows up in the bootmanager screen is the bootmanager itself, an 8mb
>> partition (I have done multiple iterations, and this IS what it does).
>>
>> If I highlight that 8mb partition entry and hit enter, it simply
>> highlights the ScsiWarp entry.
>>
>> If I try to boot ScsiWarp from the boot manager screen, I get the initial
>> bootup selection/timer screens, followed immediately by the message "OS/2
>> is not able to operate your hard disk or diskette drive." Hard wait.
>>
>> If I "unhide" the C_subst partition, the boot manager screen shows the 2
>> scsi partitions as D: drives, but if I boot ScsiWarp, I get the same "OS/2
>> is not able...." message.
>>
>> If I disconnect the ide drive and "unhide" C_subst, then OS/2 boots fine.
>>
>> If I reconnect the ide drive,and change the bios to boot from the ide
>> drive, then WinXP boots up fine.
>>
>> I tried moving the boot manager partition to the ide drive. Same problems.
>>
>> I have run chkdsk against the scsi partition and it is fine. I have tried
>> to run diagnostics against the WinXP drive, but WinXP won't do that while
>> it is running, rather it asks you if you want to schedule a run for the
>> next bootup, and if you do so, it seems to take a long time booting but no
>> messages are shown (blank screen) before the normal signon screen, so it's
>> difficult to tell what happened. I have to assume that the drives are OK,
>> since I can boot one or the other of the two operating systems, I just
>> can't get them both on the boot manager screen, nor can I boot ScsiWarp
>> when the ide drive is connected.
>>
>> One questionable area: I think (I'm not certain) I may have formatted the
>> WinXP partition as FAT32 originally back in June; this time it was
>> formatted as NTFS. HPFS and NTFS both have partition code "07". Could this
>> be a problem? I am reticent to go through yet another WinXP install and
>> customization just to find out. Other partition codes on the drives appear
>> to be normal OS/2 codes.
>>
>> What else should I look at to resolve this problem so I can use boot
>> manager?
>>
>> Wayne
>>
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