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Date:	Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:41:10 PDT7
From:	"J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@pacbell.net >
Reply-To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	Steven Levine <steve53@earthlink.net > , scoug-help@scoug.com
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: Re: Getting SCSI cards into very tight spaces {Was: Next Help Desk}

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Hi Steven,

About time we changed that header, dontcha think ?

Steven Levine wrote:

> Everything is relative too. Depending on where one is

> sitting, left, right, up and down all can mean different
> things.

True, true. In Space, no one can hear you scream.

> >The screw-down
> >bracket does not clear the space it needs to clear, causing the card to
> >go in at an angle --
>
> That's odd. The bracket dimensions are standard as are the relationship
> between the edge connectors and the bracket mounting. This has to be or
> everyone would have a terrible time getting cards to fit in cases.

One would think so. But then, it just needs to be the teensiest bit off, to
really complicate your life.

> Which wall? The side wall or the wall where the bracket attaches.

The latter. Once again, you have a better fix on what I meant than I did.

> If you are having trouble getting the bracket fully inserted, you
> need to wiggle the tongue at the bottom of the bracket. There's often
> very little clearance between the mortherboard and the case, even on
> full-size systems.

Tongue wiggling can lead to all sorts of trouble, but . . . Oh, sorry, wrong thread !

Anyway, that was a No Go -- at least without running some serious risk of
damaging something. There's all kinds of stuff nearby -- little diodes or pin
blocks sticking up, places where tiny connectors plug in to something -- that
are eminently damageable, if one applies force and happens to slip.

But I just got the card in. I had to take the screw-down guide / bracket off,
which proved less of a problem than I expected. Then, I had to get the bracket
in by its lonesome, which took some maneuvering. Finally the 29160, which
could *then* be aligned with the PCI slot and the hole in the bracket. It
went in cleanly. As was already clear, the back section is hanging there in
space, slotless. (If I can pick up a 29160N anywhere close to as cheaply as
I got the plain 29160, I will do so, and swap it in later.) In due course, it
should be apparent if this card is going to work, and I'll give you an update.

By the by, I looked all over and could not locate that spare U2W card I bought
about a year ago. I was down to considering using that, at least for initial setup
purposes, if I could find it.

While I'm thinking of it, you mentioned that you use a 2940UW for your slower
SCSI devices. I have the 2940U and the 2940AU. Is the UW a later, faster
version of this card, and would I gain anything by switching to it for driving
my scanner, CD drives, and tape backup unit ?

[I'm going to copy this post to the Help List, in case anyone there may find it of
interest. If you're totally lost, joining this in progress, it had to do with fitting

a small form factor computer for SCSI -- something that probably .05 % of the
folks that buy these are crazy enough to do.]

Jordan

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